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I played a game today where my friend's list consisted of 6 10-man squads of Krieg Death Riders. Now, I don't like to cry 'broken', so I would love to be convinced otherwise but. I played a game today where my friend's list consisted of 6 10-man squads of Krieg Death Riders. Now, I don't like to cry 'broken', so I would love to be convinced otherwise but. They're a unit the only works in a very specific manner. If you shoot them to death, charge them first, or survive the first round of combat, they're not terribly impressive.

Most IG orders are absolutely wasted on them.Chaos Bikers are a different unit with different armament and a different purpose.Death Riders can be really good if used really well in one specific role and will be absolutely wasted otherwise. The same is not true of Chaos bikers.The talk of FW being overpowered or illegal is rather absurd, especially over DKoK death riders. They look like they are treading the edge of top-tier cost-efficiency but I'd have to see them being played. Does their deep strike allow them to move afterwards? Do they get to reroll charge distance? Do they get to charge after advancing?

Without any of these three they are probably not going to achieve anything on turn 1 and have to expose themselves for at least one turn in order to get to charge.They don't have those, but they're also really resilient against shooting, with T4, 2W, 4+ save, 5+ FnP against small-arms fire, and immunity to Morale from shooting. I mean, yeah, if I had built my army specifically to counter them I could bring a bunch of Autocannons.And also there are 6 units of them, so while they wont all make their charge, some of them probably will. And anything that is charged by them, with the exception of heavy armour, dies.

One unit took out a Rhino without any trouble.This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/08/14 18:41:09. They look like they are treading the edge of top-tier cost-efficiency but I'd have to see them being played. Does their deep strike allow them to move afterwards? Do they get to reroll charge distance?

Do they get to charge after advancing? Without any of these three they are probably not going to achieve anything on turn 1 and have to expose themselves for at least one turn in order to get to charge.They don't have those, but they're also really resilient against shooting, with T4, 2W, 4+ save, 5+ FnP against small-arms fire, and immunity to Morale from shooting. I mean, yeah, if I had built my army specifically to counter them I could bring a bunch of Autocannons.And also there are 6 units of them, so while they wont all make their charge, some of them probably will. And anything that is charged by them, with the exception of heavy armour, dies. One unit took out a Rhino without any trouble.They're going to have a rough time killing conscripts and other horde units.

With S5 and AP-2 they are especially effective vs MEQ, so if you play SM it was most likely a bad matchup. Especially 2+W units like primaris marines, terminators and characters will get smashed by those weapon stats. Take Khorne Berzerkers.- 3 Attacks, can fight twice in fight phase- strenght 5, no 'feel no pain' for riders.- Extra attacks againts imperium hit roll of 6+- Plus legion traits from whatever legion you choose.Probably one of the strongest, if not most powerful assault unit in 8th. Edition.Until sales go flat.

Then comes the 'adjustment' in the name of 'balance'.True, but balancing unit's make game more enjoyable for both sides, over performing unit's compared to unit's point cost just make those unit'sspammable and overpowered.And on the topic. I own 10 Death Riders plus Death Riders command squad, but i'm going to use models in my Astra Militarum non vehicle army as a Rough Riders, which are performing similarly, but are cheaper.This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/08/14 18:54:04.

They're going to have a rough time killing conscripts and other horde units. With S5 and AP-2 they are especially effective vs MEQ, so if you play SM it was most likely a bad matchup. Especially 2+W units like primaris marines, terminators and characters will get smashed by those weapon stats.Why will they have trouble against hordes? The wild eternal eng plaza. They have 4 attacks each.Were you in the conscript thread? Models with 3-4 attacks are powerless to stop the onrushing tide of unstoppable goons who are simultaneously able to protect a wide frontage and contract into a Schwerpunkt, as well as all be in rapid-fire and also in range of orders and a commissar, while that commissar is out of line of sight.

Why will they have trouble against hordes? They have 4 attacks each.They are only killing 1.5 GEQ or ork boyz each on the charge, which is not a lot at their cost. The new berzerkers can kill 3.4 GEQ each. With the riders' delayed charge they also risk taking casualties before they get the chance to deal any damage. They are not going to kill screens fast enough and melee hordes will probably out-melee them per pt, even if the riders get to charge first.It looks like a good unit vs MEQ and similar elite armies but not hordes.This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/08/15 10:24:34.